nothing bores me more than art with the intention of shock value made by equally boring white kids who can only imagine the struggle they try to depict
*sees modern edgy art piece about how addicted we are to technology*
*yawns*
boyf: *makes art for himself and sends me a picture*
me: where’s mine?
i don’t ever want to see or hear the phrase “art hoe” again
not indulging people that desperately want to publicly argue with me as performance art
I’m working on a zine w. @mydogsnokes and the theme is CAVERNS
please submit art/writing/kool stuff u made to me at emma.kimbrough@gmail.com before the 28th of February!!
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here’s a thing that i don’t think american kids are told often enough:
STAY AWAY FROM FOR-PROFIT COLLEGES.
ITT tech, virginia colleges, bryant and stratton, the art institutes, university of phoenix, everest, devry, etc - do NOT attend these places. do not give them your money - and it will be a lot of money. They are all, to a one, scams.
For-profit colleges prey on minority, low-income, military, nontraditional, and chronically underemployed students by promising them a quick path to a career. They are lying. They often do not allow the transfer of credits to and from, and many are either unaccredited or accredited by suspect accreditors. They rely on their students to take out massive federal student loan debt. They line their pockets with money from the government and then burden their graduates with tens of thousands of dollars of debt for inadequate education and degrees that aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on.
If you’re a non-traditional student looking for a degree, don’t go to a for-profit. Find a community college in your area instead. most ccs have more flexible class times for especially vocational/technical certifications and quite a few offer online-only or hybrid degrees. Hell, if you’re a non-trad student and you have a GED and some spare cash, try studying for a few months and then taking the SATs/ACT and trying for a four-year straight out (that’s what I did). Or get an AA and then do a four-year. Or look for a technical/adult education program sponsored by a local community college or school district. Just please, please, please, don’t go to a for-profit college. They will ruin your credit rating, your finances, and your job prospects.
This feels overclaimy. I mean, yeah, there’s definitely some instances of for-profit colleges being crappy, but then, there’s plenty of that at not-for-profit colleges, too. Yes, many are not accredited. I’m not sure I’ve heard of “suspect accreditors” as a category before; I’ve certainly seen unaccredited colleges as a bad thing, but I don’t think I know of a case of an accredited college or university not being accepted as a valid source of credits/degrees.
And “community-college”, I mean, they’re pretty cool, but they almost never produce a thing which would be accepted as a “college degree” by people who want to see one on a resume.
So, basically… A lot of this is good warnings, except they’re just as good as warnings about not-for-profit institutions, in general. You have to check into the accredited/non-accredited thing, if you care about people recognizing your degree, and at this point, student loans are almost always a bad idea economically. Tuition has skyrocketed everywhere.
I know a few of the specific ones the OP listed are not accepted as “valid degrees” in software engineering positions (ITT Tech and DeVry are specifically mentioned in a lot of the contract offers I see) but I think the OP is overclaiming. The warning is good, but may be too broad.
I don’t think I’m overclaiming.
In 2011, former for-profit students accounted for 70% of student loan defaults. Current and former for-profit students tend to carry a higher burden of student loan debt than students even at nonprofit private institutions. Most of the upswing of defaults in student loan borrowing can be traced to for-profit colleges. https://www.brookings.edu/bpea-articles/a-crisis-in-student-loans-how-changes-in-the-characteristics-of-borrowers-and-in-the-institutions-they-attended-contributed-to-rising-loan-defaults/
Most for-profit colleges are nationally accredited. https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/02/26/transfer
National accreditation is not considered to be as rigorous as regional accreditation. https://web.archive.org/web/20101226201419/http://www.aacrao.org/federal_relations/transfer/FEDERALIZING_TRANSFER_OF_ACADEMIC_CREDIT.pdf
The accreditor of many for-profit colleges, Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools, has been severely criticized by the Department of Education. The Department of Education has, as of June of this year, recommended eliminating ACICS. https://opeweb.ed.gov/aslweb/finalStaffReports.cfm?aID=15&mid=68
Students seeking certificates at for-profit colleges made less money than they did before attending; in effect they would have been better off not going to the for-profit colleges. Other colleges still pay for themselves.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/31/a-popular-college-investment-promised-students-a-career-but-didnt-pay-off/
The VA lists 36 “targeted risk-base reviews” for-profit colleges over a one-year period from 2014 to 2015, as opposed to 4 reviews of public nonprofit schools and 2 of private nonprofits. http://www.benefits.va.gov/GIBILL/docs/Overview_GI%20Bill_Feedback%20System_CY14.pdf
For-profit schools have been caught inflating job placement rates to get more federal funding and students. http://www.businessinsider.com/career-education-corp-will-pay-9-million-to-students-after-allegedly-inflating-job-numbers-2013-8?IR=T
Here is a very damning Harvard study from 2013 elucidating all of these issues and more. http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/goldin/files/for-profit_colleges.pdf
I should have made this post with sources but I made it at like 1am my time right before I went to sleep. I don’t think it’s fair of you to accuse me of overclaiming or to handwave for-profits as “just as bad as not-for-profits,” because there is a real and measurable difference. “Community colleges almost never produce a thing which would be accepted” okay…that’s your experience, but that’s certainly not mine, and associate’s degrees from community colleges can be used as a stepping stone in ways for-profit degrees can’t.
@the-real-seebs @lysikan
Thank you for the citations. I haven’t perused them all (words are hard) but yeah, it looks like you are supporting your claim quite well.
